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mercurius
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Posted by mercurius, 20:42 7 January 2008

I have had SAD for quite a long time and sometimes have had anxiety with it. This year though the anxiety has been so intense that it has built to the level of panic attacks and has been at this level for 2-3 months. I'm finding it hard to cope with and wonder if other sufferers have experienced the same symptoms and if so if they have found anything that gives relief.

My normal treatment is herbal, supplemeneted by lights at this time of year. i am thinking of going back to Prozac it has go so bad.

Would be interested to hear of others' thoughts experiences.

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Posted by shelly, 10:58 8 January 2008

yes i have and am suffering panic attacks like you and i feel for you as it is an awful thing to suffer from i tried herbal and kalms but they did not work so now i am taking prozac and trust me they do help alot they take a few weeks to work i did not want to take them as i wanted to try get through this winter without them but i am fed up with the panic attacks so i thought why suffer so if i was you i would go see your gp do not suffer anymore.
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Posted by paulst, 16:08 8 January 2008

I suffer a lot more panic symptoms during the Winter, not quite panic attacks but no fun at all. I tried herbal calming tablets, sadly it didnt seem to make much difference.
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Posted by julia, 20:27 8 January 2008

to mercurius, dothiepin (now called dosulepin) helps with SAD with anxiety. Meds taken at night help you sleep and therefore not feel so anxious. Might help you- I hope so.
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Posted by Suzie, 08:02 9 January 2008

Not all meds taken a night help you sleep julia. The SSRI that I take has to be taken in the morning to prevent sleep problems in the evening.
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Posted by paulst, 16:18 9 January 2008

You certainly have to take the right kind of med, Prozac kept me awake all the time and it didnt matter when I took it.
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Posted by clemence, 17:03 9 January 2008

I have also suffered from panic attacks during the winter for years and years (anxiety) and was taking anti depres. medications to treat it. This is the first winter I am ok ( sofar) taking a high dose of Vitamin D.
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Posted by clive ghosh, 17:40 9 January 2008

Anxiety is part of SAD and its been worse this year in my experience. Like Paulst I find it no fun at all. I use CBT to deal with anxieties individually, but its not easy.
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Posted by Me, 20:44 9 January 2008

I didnt think that I had anxiety, but...

Ive got to write a CV, oh the drama of it all!!! Its only something trivial, so why on earth am I feeling so utterly vunerable!

Me x
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Posted by mercurius, 21:33 9 January 2008

Thanks all for sharing. Any meds that are recommended for SAD with the anxiety? I must say that I dread going back on to Prozac again, it makes me so lethergic and sleepy.

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Posted by Suzie, 08:18 10 January 2008

Citalopram or escitalopram seem to be the med that the GP's are recommending as this combats anxiety as well as depression.
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Posted by PurpleIvy, 08:32 10 January 2008

I didn't get on well with prozac, It made me rather dozy, without a great improvement in mood. Current med better, but still tired, but I think this is largely the SAD condition. At least having an improved mood makes the rest easier to deal with.
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Posted by MOZY, 10:10 10 January 2008

Hi everyone. I have been on this website before to talk about my daughter Crystal who suffers with SAD. We managed to get through Christmas ok with me worrying about her. It is as i am sure you know not a good idea to drink while on fluoxetine but she did and it didn,t go down too well. She knows that now. Other than that she was ok until last friday when she suddenly came home from work in a dreadful state . Depressed , life wasn,t worth living , no one would miss her. I tried to think why she suddenly had this dip and could only conclude that she hadn,t been using her light box enough and that the three grey days that we had had didn,t help either. She seemed to perk up the next day and coincidentally the SADA newsletter came. A young women had written her account of how she deals with sad and much of it could have been my daughter, the way she felt etc. Sorry to go on so but i as her mother want to understand more and be able to help. I think maybe she also feels the panic attacks that other sufferers mention and paranoia .Anyway luckily i am able to take her away for a break to find some sunshine but couldn,t be doing this too often. I also think she needs more exercise.
Roll on the spring.
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Posted by PurpleIvy, 10:54 10 January 2008

How lucky she is to have such a caring supportive parent Mozy.
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Posted by paulst, 16:04 10 January 2008

Its funny how prozac affects different people, I found it wonderful for depression in the day time, it didnt make me sleepy at all, I found it even better than citalopram.
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Posted by aaron, 23:16 22 January 2008

Citalopram has helped me a lot through this winter.

Apart from helping me through numerous other health problems (night fevers and weight loss), it has helped me deal with a load of practical issues, made me more assertive, and kinder and more attentive - mainly because I wasn't gripped by a nagging underlay of anxiety and low self-esteem.

I even surprised myself in being able to go shopping for some smarter clothes so that I could look and feel better. Generally you'd never get me any where near the shops - certainly not for buying clothes.
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Posted by taheya, 08:37 26 January 2008

I have been suffering with awful anxiety/ stress/depression since Septemeber time and have realised this is a pattern and I am more vulnerable in the darker months. I have managed this myself in the past with st johns wort which I take in the winter but this winter for some reason it stopped working, I had to give in and go to the docs. I have started citalopram this week and I really hope that it works for me. I am deperate to feel better, I have also started using a light box every morning and that seems to lift my mood.
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Posted by PurpleIvy, 12:30 26 January 2008

Hi Taheya

Most, not all, people find a light box very helpful to lift mood, if SAD is a problem, so you have a good chance of feeling better with it. That, in combinatin with your medication may help you to feel better. I used to manage with SJW, but it isn't enough for me these days.
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Posted by paulst, 23:11 26 January 2008

Dont worry about giving in, going to the doctor was the most sensible thing you could have done, I hope the medication and lightbox start to make you feel a lot better soon.


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Posted by Me, 00:01 27 January 2008

Before visiting this website, I was oblivious to the fact that I had anxiety. I just didnt like the 'feeling' and just made sure that my life changed so that I got 'it' less often.

Now that the 'feeling' has a name, Im not sure Im coping with it too well, and I seem to be getting more frustated with myself when 'it' arrives. I suppose Ive got to go through the acceptance routine again.

Oh well, I suppose its another box to tick on the medical sheets. Am beginning to think I should tick all the boxes, it might be easier than using my pathetic brain.

-told ya I was frustrated!
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Posted by paulst, 14:49 27 January 2008

I seem to manage my anxiety ok until I have a difficult day at work, then it goes through the roof and I feel crappy for a couple of days, its very frustrating, just wish it wouldnt happen.
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Posted by sandyb, 17:35 27 January 2008

Anxiety has been a real feature of SAD for me this year. It really suprised me, because before September I sorted out everything that had stressed me in previous winters in a bid to make this a good SAD year. I ended up getting stressed out over something relatively minor that I wouldn't normally bother about, and then sticking at a level of high anxiety for a couple of months.

Now I've kind of collapsed from that and am in a stage of complete apathy and lethargy, which worries my friends and family because they think I'm more of a suicide risk when I'm like this. I have to say, though, that feeling like this, however horrible, is a lot less scary than my anxious time, and a lot less dangerous for me. Hopefully I don't follow my usual pattern and have another freaky anxious time at the change of seasons in March!

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Posted by paulst, 17:39 27 January 2008

My anxiety seems milder than yours, but the frustrating thing is, almost anything can set it off.
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Posted by Me, 06:58 28 January 2008

For me it can be a comment Ive made then worry for days that Ive upset them or that some one else has said, and I reckon they hate me. Im in a strange limbo for days.

And I really can not cope when the kids come home and said that they hae been involved in a playground rumpus. Its an awful feeling that will only go away in its own time. Just wish I could switch it off.

The other day I lost my MOT certificate. I found it within two hours, but for the next two days I worried that I needed to find something. Its as if I cant switch the worrying off. I keep going back and flicking the brain switch (as if to say yes ive done that), but the switch doesnt work and Im still panicing. Ok now though

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Posted by kel, 14:33 28 January 2008

hi everyone. i have been suffering with anxiety for a year now. the best thing ive found is a book called 'healing without freud or prozac'. it has loads of info and self help ideas that do work, i still take my cipralax and have found that toghether they are making a big difference.
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Posted by taheya, 07:23 1 February 2008

The past couple of days i have noticed that I am alot less anxious...not panicking about anything and everything which is such a relief, i cannot begin to explain ~(although I am sure people here will understand). I am still waking up very early in the morning with a nervous feeling, but I find that after having my session with my light box it really calms me down and sets me up for the day. Does anyone else find that light therapy has this effect?
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Posted by Amalthea, 20:32 1 February 2008

I like to sit there and imagine that I'm sitting in the rays of the sun... it quiets me. I find the bright light very soothing, yes.

I struggled a lot with anxiety, particularly in the beginning of the SAD season, with anticipation of facing the onset of the symptoms! Whenever I feel a panic attack starting up, I would feel my body tense, my breathing change and I'd get even more scared and then of course, it'd escalate!

It's been helpful that when I feel panicked, instead of telling myself, "Oh God, it's happening again... I'm going to have a panic attack!" I will now tell myself, "My muscles are tightening... My breathing is changing... I have to ease up. Breathe slow and deep... flex my fingers... close my eyes and settle down... Breathe... Just breathe slowly..."

Sometimes I'll consciously try to shift my thoughts to something pleasant or enjoy a pleasant body sensation like wrapping myself up in a comfy blanket... having some hot tea... taking a hot bath. Just trying to do thing to keep it from getting a real grip or me getting more scared and feeding into it instead of trying to head it off before it gets worse.

I hope that can help someone. I've spent a lot of time this winter paying more attention to my physical, mental and emotional needs and the things that make me happy or more comfortable. That's gotten me through the SAD seasons and helped lifted me up during tough times.
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Posted by aaron, 13:37 2 February 2008

Writing letters to friends or telephoning takes me out of myself and helps me out of a dark mood.
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Posted by jam, 18:10 13 February 2008

Found the anxiety bad this winter never really had it as bad as this year sort of a relief to know its part of the SAD I guess. i can and have learnt to deal with the depression and the sad but anxiety is very hard to deal with also get like nervous indigestion with it not its not nice feeling.
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Posted by Donna, 12:54 17 February 2008

Now that the 'feeling' has a name, Im not sure Im coping with it too well, and I seem to be getting more frustated with myself when 'it' arrives. I suppose Ive got to go through the acceptance routine again.

Boy can I relate to what you said in your post Me! Every winter I have to again, accept the whole SAD routine! Nevermind!

My anxiety has been worse this year too. I find 5 HTP helps but also Nytol or Tescos sleep Aid tablets as I get bad insomnia but not anymore, yippie!! Sleeping well has made me feel more human in the day. Of course, its not a cure for SAD, that would be too much to ask for he he!!
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Posted by mercurius, 20:28 17 February 2008

Thanks to everyone for taking the time to respond to my original email and share your experience.

It is reassuring that it is not just me that has had the anxiety so badly this year. It has been very hard to cope with. In fact it got so bad that I had to go to my doctor's who put me on Citalopram and that has helped a lot to stabilise the depression and cope with the anxiety.

i just hope that the anxiety issue is not still there when Spring comes and I start to wean myself off the drug.

Go gently!

mercurius
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Posted by taheya, 07:30 18 February 2008

Hi Mercurius, I am in the same position, I too started on citalopram cos it got so bad I had to go to the docs, am starting to feel better or at least not so anxious! Although now have flu whichm has knocked me for six! Good luck with everything!
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Posted by Hadrian, 03:07 11 March 2008

Anxiety is always my main symptom.
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Posted by charchar, 23:11 10 September 2008

Hi i am very new to this but have felt the need to join in as I have recently dicovered that this madness i have bee feeling is infact the effects of sad. I am suffering terribly with anxiety aswell which is also a main symptom of my sad and my doctor has tried putting me on citalopram, im not sure wether to tak eit or not to be honest, becuase of the anxiety i keep thinking its going to take at least 2 weeks to kick in anyway etc etc so i havent bothered. can i just ask the people on her that are taking this ad are you also using your light boxes??? i ordered one today and it will be here tomorrow! cant bloddy wait to get infront of it and get my life bk on track!
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Posted by DaveTheHedgehog, 06:24 11 September 2008

Hi CharChar

I personally would recommend taking the meds. I went for years thinking I didn't need them, or didn't want to take them, and just felt crap for months. You never get those months back, and with the meds, you have a chance of feeling "normal" again and can start enjoying things again.

It take Prozac to get me through and use my light box every morning and also do regular exercise.

Good luck for the winter. The light box should help!
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Posted by Hadrian, 10:19 11 September 2008

Hi,Char.You will find the light box a MASSIVE help.No shame in taking meds either,I was on meds for 3 years.
It's just a shame that the lightboxes and associated products are so expensive-the prices must be out of reach for lots of people.
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Posted by Amalthea, 10:26 11 September 2008

CharChar,
The light box should give you an extra boost. If you're feeling worse instead of better on a medication, report it to your doctor. Not all of these medications agree with everyone. He may ask you to try it longer or he may try a different medication for you. Just please be sure to keep him informed of how you're doing - nobody should go un-monitored when they're first trying a new medication.
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Posted by charchar, 12:36 11 September 2008

thanks so much for all the response to my post, its such a great help to know there are people that know how im feeling, Im rally worried about taking the ad's as im so concerned that i already feel completely out of it that on the pills it will just make me worse! im suffering from terrible anxiety as u can probably tell and cant even face leaving my house, just getting up and ready seems such a chore and one which at the mo i cant possibly face! i hope and pray that this feeling goes, Iv suffered this before and it only lasted a couple of weeks at this sort of intencity, does that ring true with anyone else???
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Posted by mercurius, 18:09 11 September 2008

Hi charchar!

I do know how you feel because that's how I felt earlier this year. I have had (diagnosed) SAD for at least 17 years and until this year had never put the SAD and the anxiety symptoms together before. But this year it got really bad.

I thought that I could handle it and had been reading a lot on anti-panic / anxiety forums about 'standing up' to the anxiety and not being bullied by it. But it became clear after several months of trying to do this, as well as using my lightbox every day, that I just couldn't hold it together any longer. I got to the point of wanting to end it all because I simply couldn't stand living in that state of mental suffering any longer. Fortunately for me I have a very supportive wife and family who helped pull me back from the edge. When I realised that the anxiety coincided with the SAD symptoms and that there might be a link between them, it all started to make much more sense (though it didn't help to relieve the symptoms).

Eventually I went to my doctor and explained what was happening and my association of the SAD and anxiety which he thought to be highly likely. He prescribed Citalopram and that (suported by CBT) has made an enormous difference.

I would recommend that you follow your doctor's advice, if you trust them and they are aware of your condition. The fact is that you aren't going mad, you don't have to suffer like this and there is a way forward. Citalopram worked for me. You do need to be careful how you come off it (gradually, not suddenly), but again your GP will help with this.

Good luck and please don't despair because things can change!

mercurius
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Posted by Hadrian, 21:05 13 September 2008

As I've said before,anxiety is my worst and most prominent SAD symptom,it always hits REALLY bad around this time of year! You are not alone!
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Posted by musicalfruit, 17:29 6 October 2008

Anxiety, Panic attacks, irregular heartbeat, feeling claustraphobic, irritable, angry, irrational. I used to just think I was insane. until I sat down and read my journals from the past 20 years, every winter the same thing! and in the spring I am a totally different person! Of course now I am dealing with IBS as a result of all the anxiety. but, I usually pray alot, (which has been proven to lower blood pressure and provide hope) take herbals (chamomile, hops, catnip,lavendar,passion flower etc..) and at night take GABA to sleep, it does have a calming effect. other wise I am up 3-5 times a night.
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Posted by Pure, 19:43 10 October 2008

Hi everyone
I have just joined and this is my first post so apologies if I haven't followed decorum regarding replying to posts etc.
I was a flight attendant for 10 years and was permanently jet lagged. It is only over the last year since leaving flying that I realise when I presumed I was always jet lagged that maybe it was SAD also? I don't know as I haven't been diagnosed with SAD as yet. I have however been diagnosed with depression and anxiety about 10 months ago and was on seratonin for a while but not liking medication spoke to my GP and decided to try coming off my medication after 3 months.
When I was flying I used to buy Melatonin over the counter in the US but this was banned by the airline I worked for.I am now coping with my anxiety well after finding a programme that really works for me. Now I'm not suggesting that it would work for you also...So I suppose my first post will end in a question of is it just a case of finding our own coping strategy that fits with who we are? I don't know but I wish I had found mine years ago...
Thank you to you all for taking the time to read my first post.
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Posted by Pure, 21:37 10 October 2008

Oops I meant to say I was on sertraline not seratonin....
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Posted by paulst, 22:28 10 October 2008

Hi Pure welcome to the forum, look forward to more of your posts when you feel ready.


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Posted by Amalthea, 00:43 11 October 2008

They banned melatonin?!? For what reason?

Grrr. I don't think companies should be able to meddle with your health. You're not the pilot, right? I can understand requiring full disclosure with pilots, I suppose.
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Posted by Pure, 18:04 11 October 2008

Hi Paulst thanks for your welcome.
Hi Amalthea:I think the melatonin rule was brought in as crew who are constantly travelling though different time zones have to take quite a lot if they wanted to stay on every time zone they were in. For example one week I would be in Los Angeles for 4 days come home for 3 days then be in Tokyo for 4 days going from -8hrs gmt in LA to uk time to +8hrs gmt in tokyo. The pilots actually are well rested as once up in the air 2 stay on duty while 1 sleeps and swap round every few hours. Crew on the other hand have 2 services to do and 1/2 stay on duty in between services while 1/2 take a rest. As the melatonin affects the cicadian rythm it affects brain activity aswell. It was supposedly easier flying west as our circadian rythm is actually a natural 25 hr cycle whereas flying east going into +hrs its harder to sleep when you arent ready.Ifcrew are tired on duty this would affect their response time in emergency situations whether it be fire fighting, passenger restraint, medical emergency or emergency landing. After all that's what the crew are there for primarily. The tea and coffee stuff is just incidental to the customer service. Doing the job for 10 yrs though you just become part of the lack of routine it is only when I left that I realised how much and decided to do something about it myself instead of taking medication.
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Posted by Amalthea, 00:55 13 October 2008

Pure, thanks for the explanation. Interesting! I had wondered about taking melatonin, myself. I take trazodone and flexeril to help me sleep at night because I have fibromyalgia which causes sleep disturbances. I think that SAD also causes sleep troubles and I hope that someday they'll gear research in that direction. Sometimes I wish I could dump the trazodone and try melatonin, but I trust my doctor too much to try to manipulate my own meds without his knowledge.
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Posted by Pure, 19:40 14 October 2008

Hi Amalthea
I think that is a wise decision.
I still have trouble with my sleep patterns after a year away from flying. However When I used to get anxious and try to sleep no matter what I have a camomile tea and a bicky or something then go back to bed. By not making an issue about it I seem to be managing it OK now. As for my anxiety I think that may have been part of it (worried about lack of sleep) I am nearing the end of my well being/stress management programme now and am 80% better.Hope it keeps that way through the winter.
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Posted by Louise, 21:55 15 October 2008

The main thing which causes me anxiety in the winter is working up to flying abroad!!! So much so that this year I can't face it and am staying in the UK for half term. I can manage flying if I'm feeling happy and on top of things but winter time when I need to go somewhere warm is so difficult. I could never be a flight attendant lol

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